Is questing challenging? - Guild Wars Forums

sync00 · Sep 18, 2011, 02:49 PM // 14:49

I played WoW for a month and got bored with questing. Each fight was the same. You target an enemy and blast away until one of you dies.

GW has some unique angles that I enjoy. I'm not bored yet, because the game is new. But I can see how it could quickly become boring. I like games that require me to use different tactics and strategies for different situations.

People on this forum obviously don't find the game boring. I know some people like the lore. Some people enjoy role play. Some people enjoy the scenery. None of those things will keep me playing.

I don't want to get into a WoW vs GW thing, but WoW is the only other game I've played that has this style of fighting mechanics. I've only played GW a few hours but the fighting mechanics seem very similar to WoW.

Is there anything in GW that makes questing more challenging than WoW?

Quaker · Sep 18, 2011, 02:55 PM // 14:55

Not really.

(I've played WoW

- level 60 Mage)

Wyndy · Sep 18, 2011, 03:23 PM // 15:23

You probably won't find it challenging until a little later in the game. The early part is the learning curve and it isn't til you reach lvl 20 that the game really begins. Don't give up so soon and at least finish a campaign before deciding.

Gwendolyn the Jinx · Sep 18, 2011, 03:47 PM // 15:47

Questing doesn't play as significant a role in GW as it did in WoW (which was basically grinding to level cap). The core of GW is its end game (attainable in a few hours), which is essentially missions & dungeons (not to mention hard mode), and elite areas. The grind to level cap is over quickly in all but Prophecies, and at cap the majority of quests are optional, only done for fun or rewards. I wouldn't quit GW only because the quests are boring since they're hardly representative of what this game has to offer.

As for tactics and such, almost every mission can be done on the first try in normal mode but you'll definitely find yourself doing your homework when you are after Bonuses/Master's Reward and later on, Hard mode.

Since you mentioned WoW I just have to say that this game's end-game is perfectly solo-able, unlike WoW's raiding. You dont need 7 other players to clear content since you can just take heroes to fill up the party with any roles you're missing. You can find heroes in Nightfall or Eye of the North - unfortunately they were not a feature in Prophecies or Factions. But of course, once you unlock a hero they're with you for good and useable wherever.

Bristlebane · Sep 18, 2011, 05:05 PM // 17:05

Some say the game really doesn't begin until you're 20. This is partially true, I think the game doesn't really begin until you unlocked hard mode on all campaigns. anything before that is basically a tutorial.

wilebill · Sep 18, 2011, 06:07 PM // 18:07

The final missions of Prophecies and Nightfall are pretty tough. Indeed the missions first time through are tough second half of both. The quests and missions in Factions will certainly hold your attention. There are things up there that will shoot your woo woo completely off and wipe your party besides! You will not be bored. Enraged maybe, but not bored.

Just finished a 3 month nostalgia return to WoW. I got a Druid to level 74 before Wrath of the Lich King bored me to death. But no WoW hate here. it is a brilliant game. The big difference is you get skills as you go along and end up feeling super powered. Just a matter of being careful about what you take on, when, and how.

GW depends on builds and your skill in using the build. Plus skills and gear for heroes and proper selection of henchmen for the job if any. With a good set of heroes, set up pproperly, the game is comparatively easy. But you still must be mindful of what you are trying to do and what you are fighting against before you even go through the zone gate. And sometimes the only way to win is not to fight.

Andemius · Sep 18, 2011, 07:39 PM // 19:39

the HM titan quests are challenging, but they're quite far into end-game

Kendil · Sep 19, 2011, 11:13 AM // 11:13

War in Kyrta in hm should keep you ocupied for a decent amount of time.
If you look for a challenge you shouldn't look at regular quest. You should spend all your time in hm doing challenge missions/dificulty:master quest/elite zones. Some of the endgame content can be pretty easy in nm, but it's definitely a challenge in hm (compare glint's challenge nm to hm).

sync00 · Sep 19, 2011, 02:37 PM // 14:37

The skills and tactics I've learned in other games are not useful in GW. To me it seems like fighting in GW doesn't require any skill at all.

I assume that is because I don't understand the game yet. What skills and tactics are needed for GW?

Silmar Alech · Sep 19, 2011, 04:20 PM // 16:20

The game is very easy in lower levels. Later in the game, especially when you encounter enemies with levels > 20, you need a proper team setup:

- someone who can absorb damage done by the enemies
- someone who can interrupt important skills from enemies
- someone who does damage to enemies
- someone who heals damage done by the enemies (and protects from damage later in the game)

In the beginning, you only do damage with whatever skill you bought from the skill trainer and hope the enemy dies before your group dies. Later, it is important to bring skills that synergize.

There are also quests and missions with different goals, including but not limited to:
- escort and protect an NPC. quest fails if NPC dies
- defend against waves of enemies
- get item x and bring it to someone/somewhere
- defeat a powerful enemy
- do something and must not wipe (missions without resurrection shrines)

Kendil · Sep 19, 2011, 04:26 PM // 16:26

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Originally Posted by sync00

The skills and tactics I've learned in other games are not useful in GW. To me it seems like fighting in GW doesn't require any skill at all.

I assume that is because I don't understand the game yet. What skills and tactics are needed for GW?

The first challenge is to build your own teambuild. Though there are pvx to look at, your own builds are better if you know what your doing. Then it's alot about synergy and working togheter once it comes to fighting.
Pulling becomes vital in the more dificult areas.

Gwendolyn the Jinx · Sep 19, 2011, 05:51 PM // 17:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by sync00

The skills and tactics I've learned in other games are not useful in GW. To me it seems like fighting in GW doesn't require any skill at all.

I assume that is because I don't understand the game yet. What skills and tactics are needed for GW?

If by tactics and skills you mean like raid boss tactics, then you will not find this here. Sure every now and again you'll come across fire to move out of, but there is no raid boss "dance routine". Almost everything in the game has access to player spells with only a few exceptions that have Monster Only skills. And tbh it does make the game a little stale since a boss is basically any generic monster with higher damage and hp.

I wouldn't say this game doesn't need any skill though. In my opinion, this game needs far more skill than WoW could ever hope to squeeze out of its fanbase. Just remember that while GW does have plenty of PvE content, its real strength lies in PvP - and that is where WoW can't hold a candle to it. And that is coming from a player that has played GW for about 6 years now (last few years been playing WoW) and still is fairly weak at PvP.

Edit: Just wanted to mention that I am, and always have been, mainly a PvE player

. The Hall of Monuments and titles in general have proven fun to pursue, not to mention the added incentive of being rewarded for it in the upcoming GW2!

sync00 · Sep 19, 2011, 06:04 PM // 18:04

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Originally Posted by Gwendolyn the Jinx

Just remember that while GW does have plenty of PvE content, its real strength lies in PvP

I can see how PvP would be challenging. It doesn't interest me though.

Highlander Of Alba · Sep 19, 2011, 07:23 PM // 19:23

Well for the OP ,

you have said a few things that raise a few eyebrows , most of what has been said above holds true.

To understand synergy as party size goes up to 8 for specific areas.
No 2 areas are the same hense you adapt to the area in question .

you are proberly on one of the tutorial islands or pre searing that is a taster to use a learning curve

This part holds my interest from you>>>>>>.To me it seems like fighting in GW doesn't require any skill at all.

This game is based on your skills (8) and interaction with the party you are in

Its far to early for a new player to say things like that until you are on mainland and forthcoming missions.

Have a look at the campfire section to get an idea on each profession as each has its own part to play

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/campfire-f17.html

If games cant hold your attension as you are saying then there is only one answer to that..have a break from such

Quaker · Sep 19, 2011, 09:45 PM // 21:45

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Originally Posted by Gwendolyn the Jinx

Just remember that while GW does have plenty of PvP content, its real strength lies in PvE

Corrected it for you.

TheRaven · Sep 19, 2011, 10:20 PM // 22:20

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Originally Posted by sync00

......To me it seems like fighting in GW doesn't require any skill at all.....

I see. So you've cleared the Underworld then in Hard Mode and beaten Dhumm? Congratulations!!! You are truly a great player to be able to say it required no effort to do so.

However if you have not yet accomplished this task then I think it may be a wee bit early for you to state that the game takes no skill at all. As others have said, early beginner quests aren't the best way to judge your skill level.

sync00 · Sep 19, 2011, 10:49 PM // 22:49

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Originally Posted by TheRaven

I think it may be a wee bit early for you to state that the game takes no skill at all.

I'm not saying that at all. I'm just trying to understand this style of gaming.

Sep 18, 2011, 02:49 PM // 14:49	#1
sync00 Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Sep 2011	Is questing challenging? I played WoW for a month and got bored with questing. Each fight was the same. You target an enemy and blast away until one of you dies. GW has some unique angles that I enjoy. I'm not bored yet, because the game is new. But I can see how it could quickly become boring. I like games that require me to use different tactics and strategies for different situations. People on this forum obviously don't find the game boring. I know some people like the lore. Some people enjoy role play. Some people enjoy the scenery. None of those things will keep me playing. I don't want to get into a WoW vs GW thing, but WoW is the only other game I've played that has this style of fighting mechanics. I've only played GW a few hours but the fighting mechanics seem very similar to WoW. Is there anything in GW that makes questing more challenging than WoW?

Sep 18, 2011, 02:55 PM // 14:55	#2
Quaker Hell's Protector Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Canada Guild: Brothers Disgruntled	Not really. (I've played WoW - level 60 Mage) Last edited by Quaker; Sep 19, 2011 at 01:58 PM // 13:58..

Sep 19, 2011, 04:20 PM // 16:20	#10
Silmar Alech Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Europe Guild: Tom Son [TS] Profession: E/	The game is very easy in lower levels. Later in the game, especially when you encounter enemies with levels > 20, you need a proper team setup: - someone who can absorb damage done by the enemies - someone who can interrupt important skills from enemies - someone who does damage to enemies - someone who heals damage done by the enemies (and protects from damage later in the game) In the beginning, you only do damage with whatever skill you bought from the skill trainer and hope the enemy dies before your group dies. Later, it is important to bring skills that synergize. There are also quests and missions with different goals, including but not limited to: - escort and protect an NPC. quest fails if NPC dies - defend against waves of enemies - get item x and bring it to someone/somewhere - defeat a powerful enemy - do something and must not wipe (missions without resurrection shrines) Last edited by Silmar Alech; Sep 19, 2011 at 04:23 PM // 16:23..

Sep 18, 2011, 03:23 PM // 15:23	#3
Wyndy Krytan Explorer Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: in the know Guild: Chronic Chaos Profession: N/Me	You probably won't find it challenging until a little later in the game. The early part is the learning curve and it isn't til you reach lvl 20 that the game really begins. Don't give up so soon and at least finish a campaign before deciding.

Sep 18, 2011, 03:47 PM // 15:47	#4
Gwendolyn the Jinx Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Beirut, Lebanon Guild: Servants of Fortuna [SoF] Profession: Me/	Questing doesn't play as significant a role in GW as it did in WoW (which was basically grinding to level cap). The core of GW is its end game (attainable in a few hours), which is essentially missions & dungeons (not to mention hard mode), and elite areas. The grind to level cap is over quickly in all but Prophecies, and at cap the majority of quests are optional, only done for fun or rewards. I wouldn't quit GW only because the quests are boring since they're hardly representative of what this game has to offer. As for tactics and such, almost every mission can be done on the first try in normal mode but you'll definitely find yourself doing your homework when you are after Bonuses/Master's Reward and later on, Hard mode. Since you mentioned WoW I just have to say that this game's end-game is perfectly solo-able, unlike WoW's raiding. You dont need 7 other players to clear content since you can just take heroes to fill up the party with any roles you're missing. You can find heroes in Nightfall or Eye of the North - unfortunately they were not a feature in Prophecies or Factions. But of course, once you unlock a hero they're with you for good and useable wherever.

Sep 18, 2011, 05:05 PM // 17:05	#5
Bristlebane Desert Nomad Join Date: Jan 2008 Profession: Mo/	Some say the game really doesn't begin until you're 20. This is partially true, I think the game doesn't really begin until you unlocked hard mode on all campaigns. anything before that is basically a tutorial.

Sep 18, 2011, 06:07 PM // 18:07	#6
wilebill Desert Nomad Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Mt Vernon, Ohio Guild: Band of the Hawk Profession: W/Mo	The final missions of Prophecies and Nightfall are pretty tough. Indeed the missions first time through are tough second half of both. The quests and missions in Factions will certainly hold your attention. There are things up there that will shoot your woo woo completely off and wipe your party besides! You will not be bored. Enraged maybe, but not bored. Just finished a 3 month nostalgia return to WoW. I got a Druid to level 74 before Wrath of the Lich King bored me to death. But no WoW hate here. it is a brilliant game. The big difference is you get skills as you go along and end up feeling super powered. Just a matter of being careful about what you take on, when, and how. GW depends on builds and your skill in using the build. Plus skills and gear for heroes and proper selection of henchmen for the job if any. With a good set of heroes, set up pproperly, the game is comparatively easy. But you still must be mindful of what you are trying to do and what you are fighting against before you even go through the zone gate. And sometimes the only way to win is not to fight.

Sep 18, 2011, 07:39 PM // 19:39	#7
Andemius Krytan Explorer Join Date: Nov 2008 Guild: Vanguard's Last Stand [Hero] Profession: W/	the HM titan quests are challenging, but they're quite far into end-game

Sep 19, 2011, 11:13 AM // 11:13	#8
Kendil Krytan Explorer Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Sweden	War in Kyrta in hm should keep you ocupied for a decent amount of time. If you look for a challenge you shouldn't look at regular quest. You should spend all your time in hm doing challenge missions/dificulty:master quest/elite zones. Some of the endgame content can be pretty easy in nm, but it's definitely a challenge in hm (compare glint's challenge nm to hm).

Sep 19, 2011, 02:37 PM // 14:37	#9
sync00 Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Sep 2011	The skills and tactics I've learned in other games are not useful in GW. To me it seems like fighting in GW doesn't require any skill at all. I assume that is because I don't understand the game yet. What skills and tactics are needed for GW?

Sep 19, 2011, 07:23 PM // 19:23	#14
Highlander Of Alba Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jan 2007 Guild: Real Rogue Clan Profession: Rt/Mo	Well for the OP , you have said a few things that raise a few eyebrows , most of what has been said above holds true. To understand synergy as party size goes up to 8 for specific areas. No 2 areas are the same hense you adapt to the area in question . you are proberly on one of the tutorial islands or pre searing that is a taster to use a learning curve This part holds my interest from you>>>>>>.To me it seems like fighting in GW doesn't require any skill at all. This game is based on your skills (8) and interaction with the party you are in Its far to early for a new player to say things like that until you are on mainland and forthcoming missions. Have a look at the campfire section to get an idea on each profession as each has its own part to play http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/campfire-f17.html If games cant hold your attension as you are saying then there is only one answer to that..have a break from such